hi. i am realy advocate of opensource project and become happy to know about them and help people. its a good idea, but i am not expert in using thunderbird and dont have information about it. thank you tom.
On 2/26/16, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote: > No, no, no. There is no reason. > > Or, at the very least, it is waaaaaaaaaaaay too early to even consider > *thinking about* a name change for Thunderbird. > > Personally, I wouldn't necessarily be against it, but there would have > to be a decent successful history of Thunderbird development under TDF > umbrella before this should be considered. > > On 2/26/2016 10:32 AM, Daniel Espinosa <eso...@gmail.com> wrote: >> May should be renamed to LibreOffice Mail. >> >> El feb. 26, 2016 9:04 AM, "Tanstaafl" <tansta...@libertytrek.org >> <mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org>> escribió: >> >> I think bringing Thunderbird fully under the umbrella of The Document >> Foundation, and as a sister project of LibreOffice, is a fantastic >> idea, >> it just makes the most sense to me as a formal and permanent home for >> Thunderbird going forward. >> >> The fact is, in spite of the fact that Thunderbird development has >> actually improved dramatically ever since Mozilla 'killed it' thanks >> *only* to the fantastic volunteers who stepped up, its long term >> future >> is in jeopardy right now. >> >> I would dearly love to see Thunderbird adopted, providing it the legal >> infrastructure and resources it will need if it is to remain viable. >> >> As both a long time Thunderbird user, since well before it reached >> version 1.0, and supporting our 60+ Thunderbird users at our office >> this >> entire time, I would be happy to provide assistance on this list. Not >> to >> brag, but there are very few Thunderbird issues that I couldn't either >> solve, or at least point you to the bug # covering the bug. And since >> Lightning is now a bundled Addon, people have to explicitly 'opt out' >> of >> Calendar functionality, so the fact that TB has a calendar is now much >> more 'discoverable' for new users. >> >> Anyway, I hope something comes of this... >> >> Charles >> >> On 2/26/2016 8:15 AM, Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com >> <mailto:tomc...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > Hi :) >> > How do people here feel about approaching the Thunderbird people >> to bring >> > them into the LibreOffice project a bit more? Perhaps they could >> become >> > the official default email client? >> > >> > As most of you know - many organisations, particularly OpenSource >> ones, >> > have departments/sections/sub-groups that focus on supporting >> external >> > projects that are used within their own project. For example >> Ubuntu, >> > Redhat, openSuSE, Mageia, Fedora (and so on) each have people able >> to help >> > their users deal with most issues to do with Thunderbird, >> LibreOffice and >> > many other apps. Typically such people can handle quite a lot of >> issues >> > but sometimes seek help from 'upstream' (such as to here if it's a >> > LibreOffice issue) or/and invite the user to take their issue >> upstream >> > themselves. Many of such people stay within one OS and help with >> many apps >> > within that OS but some support the same app in many different >> OSes. There >> > are even generic forums, such as "LinuxQuestions.org" that handle >> a lot of >> > different OSes. >> > >> > This mailing list has helped quite a few people with "off topic" >> issues, >> > such as helping with other apps or choosing a good "gateway" >> distro (such >> > as Mint, Ubuntu etc) for people who want to break free of Windows >> or even >> > helping with quite detailed "off topic" issues in very geeky >> Gnu&Linux OSes >> > (such as Slackware). Also there's a good chance that some people >> from >> > Thunderbird might start offering weeu's support through our support >> > systems, such as this mailing list - if we were welcoming and >> supportive. >> > >> > How would people here feel about this mailing list offering support >> to >> > Thunderbird users, particularly ones who use LibreOffice as their >> Office >> > Suite? >> > >> > Another option might be for "The Document Foundation" to fully >> take on the >> > whole of the Thunderbird project, and bring in all of their >> infrastructure >> > and maybe kinda merge parts together where it's easy enough to do >> so. >> > >> > Personally i prefer this sort of approach The Mozilla Foundation >> chose to >> > split TB away from their web-browser (a good linuxy thing to do) >> so they >> > could be more independent and therefore be used by people who use >> a wide >> > range of other web-browsers - also helping those few Firefox users >> who were >> > using something else to benefit more from a more streamlined >> Firefox. A >> > few years ago Mozilla decided to drop almost all it's support for >> TBeaving >> > it all to just volunteers. The TB volunteers have done a >> fantastic job but >> > it would be great to give them a new home so they can "spread >> their wings" >> > a lot more. >> > >> > To me it seems that either way, or something similar would greatly >> benefit >> > both (or even all 3!) separate projects. >> > >> > It at long last would solve the main perceived 'blocker' that many >> people >> > seem to struggle with when trying to move away from MS Office = >> that LO >> > doesn't have a drop-in replacement for Outlook. >> > >> > Although Outlook includes calendar functionality (and a lot more) >> it seems >> > that the most frequent problem that people ask about is just about >> emails. >> > On this mailing list it's even been suggested the TDF create a new >> email >> > client, but i think most of us already use TB anyway and it's >> probably >> > better to just use something that has a good, well-proven >> track-record >> > rather than try to cobble something together from scratch. >> > >> > Some of us inevitably try to point out that there are many other >> choices of >> > email client to suit particular niche-markets - such as Claws (for >> a much >> > smaller foot-print and thus faster on lower-spec machines) or >> Evolution >> > (for a totally complete "drop in replacement" for Outlook in terms >> of >> > look&feel (but has limited support and is not cross-platform, and >> can't >> > even cope outside the Gnome DE so it limits which versions of >> Gnu&Linux it >> > can be used on)) and some really fancy ones with more >> project-management >> > functionality. >> > >> > Such alternatives would still be available and supported but by >> having TB >> > as our default it would dissolve one more perceived 'blocker' . >> People >> > would no longer be forced into doing a tonne more research into >> which email >> > client to choose, and TB would be the perfect one for the vast >> majority of >> > them. >> > >> > Microsoft and Apple seem to be successful largely because they >> remove >> > people's options and give them "Freedom FROM choice". The tech >> industry >> > seems to value that above almost anything else. As soon as there >> are >> > choices they start grumbling about "fragmentation", and that it's >> difficult >> > to choose "which is best" because different use-cases may have >> different >> > requirements and therefore may need make slightly different >> choices. In >> > every other industry monopolies are seen as bad - choice and >> diversity are >> > applauded as being "good competition" allowing "market forces" to >> help >> > drive innovation, efficiency and all that sort of thing. >> > >> > In the Gnu&Linux world we fight hard to make sure there is "Freedom >> OF >> > choice", but a lot of people struggle when given options - they >> just want >> > to settle with what they are given and then grumble about it! >> > >> > Giving people a default and then allowing them to easily replace >> it as been >> > hugely successful for "gateway distros" and i think it would >> probably be >> > great for us too. How do other people here feel? >> > >> > Also, just out of curiosity, do we happen to already have people >> here who >> > help other people with Thunderbird issues in another forum or >> support >> > network? We probably do already have some with some level of >> expertise on >> > this mailing list, or at least people who can quickly learn how to >> resolve >> > the most frequently asked issues. >> > Many regards from >> > Tom :) >> > On 26 Feb 2016 10:25, "Florian Effenberger" >> <flo...@documentfoundation.org <mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org>> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > the following decision was taken on October 5, 2015 in private as >> the board >> > saw a need for confidentiality. >> > >> > It is now made public in accordance with our statutes. >> > >> > Proposal: Authorize Simon Phipps to explore Thunderbird options >> with Mozilla >> > >> > The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat >> holders >> > without deputies. In order to be quorate, the vote needs to have >> 1/2 of the >> > Board of Directors members, which gives 4. >> > >> > A total of 5 Board of Directors members have participated in the >> > vote. The vote is quorate. >> > >> > A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 3 votes. >> > >> > Result of vote: 5 approvals, 0 neutral, 0 disapprovals. >> > Decision: The request has been accepted. >> > >> > This message is to be archived by the BoD members and their >> deputies. >> > >> > Florian > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy for the believers. 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